YWAMKnowledgeBase:Meeting 20070611

Agenda

 * Structure of KB
 * Security
 * Ease of use
 * Gaining Contributors and Users

Minutes


Present: Kevin Colyer, Mike Stevens, Steve Sullivan, Sarah Cumming

Structure of KB

 * {Action} Kevin to redesign the main page to make it simple and put buttons higher than category cloud and push the RSS feed way down DONE --Kev-The-Hasty 15:24, 19 June 2007 (BST)
 * {Action} Steve will rework the Training page headings (split training into DTS level and 2nd level).
 * {Action} Kevin and Steve work on super categories - suggestion of Training, Evangelism, MM, and Making it happen (admin) Document to collaborate on changes --Kev-The-Hasty 12:40, 22 June 2007 (BST)

Gaining contributors and users
Brainstorm
 * Steve to train everyone in the UK and Ireland to use it
 * International YWAMER ad/article
 * Have a YWAM Belgium day on it
 * Promote on ywam-base-announce, ywam connect.net
 * Steve will persuade lynn green of its virtues
 * Global perspectives
 * Eurocoms
 * AfriComs team in S Africa
 * We should list all the people in ywam who have published a book and talk to all of them personnally
 * Get all 27 Regions onboard - at GLT?
 * prayer
 * Sarah C can tell Kerygma teams
 * Steve S to talk to Tom Bloomer
 * {Action} We all will update and lengthen the Invitations pages

Security

 * We want an open wiki with newly registered members instantly able to contribute - therefore no screening before contributing policy
 * Preventing Bots from spanning is important so we will implement a Captcha system Captcha DONE --Kev-The-Hasty 15:24, 19 June 2007 (BST)

Other Matters

 * Multilingual issues - how do they get handled?
 * Already asked about at FotN 2007 - you have several parallel wiki's running each with a different language (see Wikipedia). There is no automatic translation - it is all manual
 * Should be easy to implement as demand increases. You can already change your interface into your own language.
 * {Action} Kevin see if I can add a "Translate This Page" link on each page for our non-English speaking colleagues. (Babel fish translation into "Swedish Chef" for Mike)
 * Reducing the learning Curve
 * Write a FAQ DONE by User:Steve
 * {ACTION} Kevin to look into producing a screencast of editing a page so people can watch and learn!

Date of next meeting
2nd July 15:00 Brussels time (GMT+2)

Transcript
Brace your-selves... [15:05:54] kevincolyerwork says: are you online now sarah? [15:06:37] Sarah Cumming says: I am yes :S [15:06:47] kevincolyerwork says: do you want to join our meeting [15:07:12] Sarah Cumming says: sure, I havent got a headset though [15:07:23] Sarah Cumming says: can it work with chat? [15:07:35] kevincolyerwork says: yep but it might be boring! [15:08:08] Sarah Cumming says: Thats something I'll have to come to terms with then :( [15:08:28] kevincolyerwork says: we are just getting set up up be were looking at an agenda on: http://wiki.ywambrussels.be/kb/index.php/YWAMKnowledgeBase:Meeting_20070611 [15:08:48] Sarah Cumming says: okey dokey [15:12:51] kevincolyerwork added Steve Sullivan to this chat [15:12:59] kevincolyerwork says: OK [15:13:05] kevincolyerwork says: Have you all read the agenda? [15:13:09] Sarah Cumming says: yes [15:13:11] Steve Sullivan says: I've read it [15:13:15] Steve Sullivan says: hi sarah C [15:13:18] Sarah Cumming says: hi there [15:13:24] Sarah Cumming says: nice to meet you [15:13:26] kevincolyerwork says: I suggest we go with what Sarah finds most interesting [15:13:28] Steve Sullivan says: thanks [15:13:31] Steve Sullivan says: where are you sarah> [15:13:36] Sarah Cumming says: really thanks kev [15:13:38] kevincolyerwork says: so where shall we srart? [15:13:46] Steve Sullivan says: srart? [15:13:48] kevincolyerwork says: start [15:13:56] Steve Sullivan says: i think we should srart at the begrinining [15:13:58] Sarah Cumming says: I've lost the page now [15:14:01] Steve Sullivan says: sorry [15:14:04] Sarah Cumming says: thats a good idea [15:14:11] Steve Sullivan says: i usually open a few pages [15:14:15] Steve Sullivan says: a few tabs [15:14:21] Sarah Cumming says: aah [15:14:30] kevincolyerwork says: OK lets try to take it in turns to write [15:14:46] kevincolyerwork says: {TOPIC} Structure of KB [15:15:13] Steve Sullivan says: i think we need to look at the training structure [15:15:24] Steve Sullivan says: what should we see when we click on training? [15:15:30] kevincolyerwork says: do we not need to look at the whole structure? [15:15:47] Sarah Cumming says: I don't think there is anything wrong with it [15:15:58] Sarah Cumming says: or am i just biased [15:16:02] kevincolyerwork says: ok [15:16:05] Steve Sullivan says: i would like the buttons to be all visible [15:16:14] Steve Sullivan says: at the moment i have to scroll down to them [15:16:18] kevincolyerwork says: so a redisgin of the main page? [15:16:21] Steve Sullivan says: yes [15:16:34] Steve Sullivan says: i especially like the new red button - that I put there [15:16:55] kevincolyerwork says: ok lets write a list of the top three things we want on the main page and then we can rank it form our 3 listsw [15:17:10] kevincolyerwork says: sound ok? [15:17:22] Sarah Cumming says: sounds good [15:17:33] Steve Sullivan says: the buttons, how to start and the blue alphabetical thing [15:18:04] kevincolyerwork says: blue alphabetical thing = category cloud [15:18:10] Sarah Cumming says: whats the alphbetical thing? [15:18:14] Steve Sullivan says: i don't mind scrolling down toe the other things -- category cloud -- nice [15:18:22] Steve Sullivan says: bls communications dts [15:18:22] kevincolyerwork says: box wiht bigger and smaller words [15:18:29] Sarah Cumming says: aah [15:18:32] Sarah Cumming says: I like that [15:18:33] Steve Sullivan says: nice one sarah [15:18:35] kevincolyerwork says: good [15:18:37] Steve Sullivan says: me too [15:18:44] Steve Sullivan says: and the logo is impressive [15:18:55] Steve Sullivan says: i like that as the 4th thing of my favourite 3 [15:19:15] kevincolyerwork says: 1. welcome 2. buttons and category cloud 3. other stuff [15:19:40] Steve Sullivan says: you can't have buttons and category cloud as one thing -- that's cheating! [15:19:53] kevincolyerwork says: :P [15:20:03] Sarah Cumming says: hehe [15:20:17] kevincolyerwork says: sarah - your thoughts? [15:20:33] Sarah Cumming says: eeeem I think theres too much text everywhere [15:20:41] kevincolyerwork says: i agree [15:20:43] Sarah Cumming says: its a little distracting to find what you want [15:20:46] Steve Sullivan says: too many eees in eeeem for a start [15:20:50] kevincolyerwork says: so what do you want [15:20:58] Steve Sullivan says: that's why i like the idea of the buttons at the top [15:21:11] Sarah Cumming says: I agree :) [15:21:17] Steve Sullivan says: BUT, people will get used to it and this is just starting [15:21:35] kevincolyerwork says: we can remove the explaination after the buttons and leave the catergory cloud to provide the variety [15:21:51] Steve Sullivan says: do you think we could have fewer words later on when people are more familiar with it? [15:21:52] kevincolyerwork says: still people are fickle and we should not put them off [15:22:07] Steve Sullivan says: yes, not put people off is good [15:22:21] kevincolyerwork says: but overlap beterrn botton text explaion and category cloud [15:22:25] Steve Sullivan says: yes, [15:22:34] Steve Sullivan says: but 3 buttons are the main ones [15:22:45] kevincolyerwork added Mike Stevens to this chat [15:22:51] kevincolyerwork says: Welcome mike [15:22:52] Steve Sullivan says: training, new teams and management [15:23:05] Steve Sullivan says: hi mike, its a lovely day here in Brussels [15:23:17] Sarah Cumming says: but what about all this stuff at the bottom? [15:23:28] kevincolyerwork says: Mike: Agenda at http://wiki.ywambrussels.be/kb/index.php/YWAMKnowledgeBase:Meeting_20070611 [15:23:31] Mike Stevens says: here too. We have had a week of 30 degrees heat [15:23:35] Steve Sullivan says: wonderful [15:23:49] kevincolyerwork says: we can push the stuff at the bottom way down! [15:23:52] Sarah Cumming says: its cloudy here in Mechelen, should I pop on the train to merode? [15:23:54] Steve Sullivan says: sarah, the stuff at the bottom is adding value to the site [15:23:56] Mike Stevens says: about time for some rain [15:24:00] Sarah Cumming says: Ok, [15:24:02] Steve Sullivan says: yes, come to merode [15:24:12] kevincolyerwork says: you will be here in 30 mins [15:24:37] Sarah Cumming says: and then knowing my luck it'll rain! :) [15:24:39] Steve Sullivan says: my mother-in-law lives in mecklenburg, charlotte north carolina in the us [15:24:50] Steve Sullivan says: don't come if you are just going to bring the rain [15:24:57] kevincolyerwork says: Mike, can you see the entire history of this coversation or just from when you joined? [15:25:01] Steve Sullivan says: back to structure of the site [15:25:05] Sarah Cumming says: anyway thats not the point of this [15:25:10] Sarah Cumming says: exactly steve thanks [15:25:13] Mike Stevens says: Come to Sweden instead Sully--- hot and fine here! [15:25:24] Steve Sullivan says: i am swedish, sweden is where i am [15:25:31] Mike Stevens says: :) [15:25:32] Steve Sullivan says: you know i want to come and live there [15:25:40] Steve Sullivan says: umm, the structure of the site? [15:25:55] kevincolyerwork says: OK So {Action} redesign the main page to make it simple and put buttons higher than category cloud and push the RSS feed way down [15:26:07] Steve Sullivan says: after we've looked at the front page can we look at the training pages [15:26:20] kevincolyerwork says: or put RSS feeds on the YWAM Web Pages page (Nav box) [15:26:26] kevincolyerwork says: yep [15:26:27] Steve Sullivan says: and I've decided it don't really like the retro wooden buttons [15:26:34] kevincolyerwork says: you change them then! [15:26:37] Steve Sullivan says: ha [15:26:39] Sarah Cumming says: where did they come from? [15:26:43] kevincolyerwork says: brown is out [15:26:51] Steve Sullivan says: it is not the new black [15:26:56] Steve Sullivan says: black is the new black [15:27:00] Sarah Cumming says: stick to one colour scheme [15:27:02] kevincolyerwork says: I made them online - it is a tad hard work to change [15:27:03] Steve Sullivan says: trees sarah, trees [15:27:09] Steve Sullivan says: kev hand carved them [15:27:21] Steve Sullivan says: ok, what about training? [15:27:21] kevincolyerwork says: blue? [15:27:24] Mike Stevens says: save the trees [15:27:39] Steve Sullivan says: kill the blue trees for buttons [15:27:50] Mike Stevens says: Blue is good [15:27:58] kevincolyerwork says: Traing: the button leads to the training page and this is a bit dull [15:28:04] Sarah Cumming says: yes stick to blue and red [15:28:15] kevincolyerwork says: I think steve wants to know what to do there [15:28:30] Steve Sullivan says: can we have major heading buttons on the training page too then, leading to the major aspects of training and if so, what are they? [15:28:56] kevincolyerwork says: I think we ought to use a category page: Category:Training and let the wiki build it automatically [15:29:12] Mike Stevens says: could those link buttons be higher on the page, so people can get to the quick? [15:29:24] kevincolyerwork says: perhaps buttons can be overdone. They are also not text serachable [15:29:41] Steve Sullivan says: waht about, Major resources, DTS, second level, seminars and short courses, outreach/practical phases? [15:30:23] Sarah Cumming says: have a link for each you mean? [15:30:27] Steve Sullivan says: yes, link [15:30:37] Steve Sullivan says: i repent of having buttons on the tarining page [15:30:42] Steve Sullivan says: i repent os pelling too [15:32:36] kevincolyerwork says: i think having a two main groups, one for DTS, one for 2nd level and then all the other headings you suggested afterwards [15:33:27] Mike Stevens says: yes, major heading DTS as this remains our 'entry point' [15:33:32] kevincolyerwork says: but my suggestion is to use a category page. Have all this at the top and a little expaaining too and then after you stop writing the taged pages will follow automagically [15:33:37] Mike Stevens says: so as not to get lost in other info [15:33:43] kevincolyerwork says: good [15:33:50] kevincolyerwork says: can we agree? [15:33:54] Sarah Cumming says: sounds good, is there a section for paper work? [15:34:05] kevincolyerwork says: what sort of paper work [15:34:09] kevincolyerwork says: origami? [15:34:14] Steve Sullivan says: yes, but, there are some general things that apply to all -- like teaching, planning courses and the like [15:34:19] Sarah Cumming says: all the Uof N forms and stuff [15:34:35] Steve Sullivan says: you need to look at pocketmod -- do a google [15:34:47] Sarah Cumming says: ? [15:34:59] Mike Stevens says: heading - 'general course admin'? [15:35:20] kevincolyerwork says: yep or "Uof N registstration and admin?" [15:35:20] Mike Stevens says: or paperwork as Sarah says [15:35:34] Sarah Cumming says: that'll help [15:35:37] Steve Sullivan says: yes, but [15:35:47] Mike Stevens says: yes and? [15:35:59] Steve Sullivan says: while we want paper the kb isn't primarily a download site [15:36:03] Steve Sullivan says: for paper work [15:36:16] kevincolyerwork says: i think she means on how to handle it all [15:36:18] Steve Sullivan says: it is a site to record everything everyone knows and then improve it? [15:36:24] Sarah Cumming says: exactly [15:36:26] Steve Sullivan says: oh, is that what you mean sarah [15:36:26] Mike Stevens says: good point - but would be great checklist for pioneers [15:36:27] Steve Sullivan says: ok [15:36:28] Sarah Cumming says: kev [15:36:30] Steve Sullivan says: yes [15:36:30] Sarah Cumming says: yep [15:36:34] kevincolyerwork says: yes [15:36:37] Steve Sullivan says: yep [15:36:38] Sarah Cumming says: It took my days to figure it all out [15:36:41] Steve Sullivan says: sorry [15:36:45] Steve Sullivan says: i blame myself [15:36:47] kevincolyerwork says: what? [15:36:49] Steve Sullivan says: what would have helped? [15:36:54] kevincolyerwork says: shut up steve [15:36:57] Steve Sullivan says: sorry [15:37:03] Sarah Cumming says: (rofl) [15:37:07] Mike Stevens says: u guys r 2 fast! [15:37:21] Steve Sullivan says: sorry, i have 10 fingers [15:37:25] kevincolyerwork says: slow down for mike [15:37:27] Steve Sullivan says: s o r r y [15:37:28] kevincolyerwork says: hes old [15:37:34] Steve Sullivan says: mike is very old [15:37:37] Steve Sullivan says: i've met him [15:37:40] Steve Sullivan says: ha ha [15:37:43] Sarah Cumming says: Ok lets state the ages [15:37:50] kevincolyerwork says: 37 [15:37:57] Sarah Cumming says: 23 [15:38:00] Steve Sullivan says: 53 but often mistaken for someone a lot older [15:38:03] Steve Sullivan says: dam [15:38:04] Mike Stevens says: 47 [15:38:07] Steve Sullivan says: liar [15:38:16] Steve Sullivan says: i know you are 60 mike [15:38:24] Mike Stevens says: FEEL LIKE IT SOMETIMES [15:38:31] Steve Sullivan says: me too [15:38:34] kevincolyerwork says: ok back to the job [15:38:38] Sarah Cumming says: Thats ok, I feel good knowing I'm the onlyone under 30 [15:38:48] Steve Sullivan says: sarah, what was childhood like, i don't remember? [15:38:53] Mike Stevens says: been in this tribe for 21 yars [15:38:59] Mike Stevens says: years [15:39:01] Sarah Cumming says: wow [15:39:02] Steve Sullivan says: yes [15:39:12] Steve Sullivan says: i didn't join till 1977 [15:39:20] Mike Stevens says: last century [15:39:24] kevincolyerwork says: so 1 DTS (DTS, op year, longs dts m bls) 2 2nd level (soe, etc) [15:39:26] Steve Sullivan says: sarah, you are our only hope [15:39:33] Sarah Cumming says: hahaha [15:39:34] Steve Sullivan says: save us [15:39:39] kevincolyerwork says: ORDER ORDER [15:39:40] Mike Stevens says: please! [15:39:42] Sarah Cumming says: (sun) [15:39:55] Steve Sullivan says: um, the training page [15:40:03] kevincolyerwork says: ok can you list the headings you want [15:40:11] Sarah Cumming says: How to fill in forms! [15:40:18] Mike Stevens says: DTS [15:40:27] Mike Stevens says: 2nd level schools [15:40:38] Steve Sullivan says: second level, teaching resources, how to start a new course [15:40:41] Mike Stevens says: seminars [15:40:42] Steve Sullivan says: or seminar [15:40:46] Steve Sullivan says: wow [15:40:50] Mike Stevens says: 'snap' [15:40:59] Steve Sullivan says: telepathy -- get thee behind ,me satan [15:41:07] Steve Sullivan says: sorry, i meant snap [15:41:14] Mike Stevens says: I wuz 1st [15:41:29] Mike Stevens says: beat u by 1 sec [15:41:43] Mike Stevens says: old man ;) [15:41:51] kevincolyerwork says: ORDER ORDER [15:42:03] Sarah Cumming says: heheheee [15:42:11] Steve Sullivan says: thank you sarah [15:42:18] Mike Stevens says: here are other pages like deliverance ones [15:42:23] Mike Stevens says: wher do they fit? [15:42:27] kevincolyerwork says: OK {Action} STeve will rework the Training page headings. [15:42:36] Steve Sullivan says: ministyr in the context of shcools [15:42:44] kevincolyerwork says: Or ywam generally? [15:42:45] Mike Stevens says: another heading then [15:42:52] Steve Sullivan says: i mean, ministry in the context of schools? [15:42:56] Steve Sullivan says: yes [15:42:59] Steve Sullivan says: another heading [15:43:06] kevincolyerwork says: ministry is vague [15:43:17] Sarah Cumming says: I agree kev [15:43:18] Steve Sullivan says: activities is vaguer [15:43:26] Steve Sullivan says: i agree [15:43:35] Sarah Cumming says: we'll never get anywhere then [15:43:40] Mike Stevens says: 'Stuff happens' as a heading :) [15:44:04] Steve Sullivan says: it needs to be in course design, why do we do deliverance? Because it is part of the measureable goals of the course [15:44:22] Steve Sullivan says: so it should fit in course design as well as the specific course which uses deliverance et al [15:44:36] Mike Stevens says: seriously -there are many items that are multi faceted. not just training but covers all. [15:44:47] Steve Sullivan says: hence the categories [15:44:48] kevincolyerwork says: true [15:44:49] Mike Stevens says: so they may need to be linked? [15:44:57] Steve Sullivan says: linked is good, we don't have many links [15:44:59] kevincolyerwork says: but you can have one article in many categories [15:45:02] Mike Stevens says: from many categories [15:45:24] Steve Sullivan says: yes, many categories, the force is strong in you kevin [15:45:32] Mike Stevens says: like leading worship - all schools, seminars, base life etc [15:45:54] Steve Sullivan says: yes, all the genearal things [15:46:02] Sarah Cumming says: wont you get lost then? [15:46:09] Steve Sullivan says: who, where? [15:46:32] Steve Sullivan says: wikipedia is accessed through searching more than categories [15:46:32] kevincolyerwork says: you can get lost [15:46:33] Sarah Cumming says: going from one link to another ? do you ever get to where you want to go [15:46:39] Mike Stevens says: there is always a risk of getting lost in the site. [15:46:44] Steve Sullivan says: i think we need a huge section oni designing courses [15:46:48] kevincolyerwork says: i think that is a good thing [15:46:59] kevincolyerwork says: people should get lost and discover some treasure [15:46:59] Steve Sullivan says: sorry, i got lost in the conversation about getting lost [15:47:11] Mike Stevens says: keep the links on the left to come 'home' [15:47:12] kevincolyerwork says: however when they go looking they should find what they want quick [15:47:16] Steve Sullivan says: yes, and not return without some treasure [15:47:29] kevincolyerwork says: home is always on the left in the nav box [15:47:34] Sarah Cumming says: ok [15:47:37] Mike Stevens says: good [15:47:45] Steve Sullivan says: my mother always used to leave a light on when i went out at night [15:47:53] Steve Sullivan says: good [15:47:59] Mike Stevens says: and the door was never locked [15:48:11] Steve Sullivan says: you had a door!! [15:48:19] Mike Stevens says: luxury [15:48:34] Mike Stevens says: when I was a lad.... back 2 main subject [15:48:34] Steve Sullivan says: did you have running water? [15:48:44] Mike Stevens says: running - what was that? [15:48:49] Steve Sullivan says: kev says he thinks wwe are making some progress [15:48:53] Mike Stevens says: we had th thaw it [15:49:04] Mike Stevens says: sorry Kev [15:49:05] Steve Sullivan says: thaw, you got to thaw it, wow, [15:49:12] Sarah Cumming says: does he really, good to know someone has the overview [15:49:15] Steve Sullivan says: we put food on top of the ice and we called that cooked [15:49:30] Steve Sullivan says: what about you sarah, did you live in a house growing up? [15:49:31] Mike Stevens says: food -what was that? [15:49:42] Steve Sullivan says: who said food, it was pictures of foood [15:49:42] Mike Stevens says: we sucked on the ice [15:49:49] kevincolyerwork says: home is always on the left in the nav box [15:49:51] Steve Sullivan says: you get to suck on the ice [15:49:53] kevincolyerwork says: ORDER ORDER [15:49:56] Steve Sullivan says: we got to look at it [15:50:03] Mike Stevens says: :D [15:50:09] Steve Sullivan says: sarah [15:50:11] Sarah Cumming says: yes [15:50:17] Steve Sullivan says: did you live in a house growing up? [15:50:32] Sarah Cumming says: no I lived in a flat in the town centre in Gibraltar [15:50:33] kevincolyerwork says: SO TRAINING [15:50:39] kevincolyerwork says: ... [15:50:39] Steve Sullivan says: mike and i lived on flat featureless plains with no bulidng [15:50:44] Steve Sullivan says: wow, gibraltar [15:50:49] Steve Sullivan says: sorry, work [15:50:54] Sarah Cumming says: hehe [15:50:55] Mike Stevens says: we said featureless [15:51:01] Steve Sullivan says: there were no features [15:51:03] kevincolyerwork says: I would like to suggest something [15:51:16] Steve Sullivan says: how can we get more contributers? [15:51:17] Mike Stevens says: all ears [15:51:25] Steve Sullivan says: cauliflower [15:51:30] kevincolyerwork says: hang on [15:51:32] kevincolyerwork says: hang on [15:51:35] Steve Sullivan says: hanging [15:51:40] kevincolyerwork says: this is getting out of hand a bit [15:51:41] Mike Stevens says: slipping.... [15:51:44] Sarah Cumming says: get an article on the website and ....that mag [15:51:51] kevincolyerwork says: are we finished on the training thing [15:51:51] Steve Sullivan says: sarah, can you concentrate please [15:52:12] Steve Sullivan says: how easy is it to change it majorly kev? [15:52:17] Sarah Cumming says: :S [15:52:33] Steve Sullivan says: the structure? [15:52:41] kevincolyerwork says: not so hard [15:52:44] Steve Sullivan says: if it is searchable it may not matter so much [15:52:50] Steve Sullivan says: ? [15:53:04] Steve Sullivan says: can we have a big search box on front page? [15:53:11] kevincolyerwork says: it we use categories and intorduce a category on a category page then it will pull all relevant articles together [15:53:12] Steve Sullivan says: with boolean searches [15:53:16] Steve Sullivan says: ok [15:53:18] Steve Sullivan says: nice [15:53:19] kevincolyerwork says: got one [15:53:27] Steve Sullivan says: then shall me push the category idea more then [15:53:43] Steve Sullivan says: did you hear the one about the little bool? [15:54:03] kevincolyerwork says: At the moment we have a page TRaining and Category:Training why have the two pages as jumping off points. Same with lots of stuff on the wiki [15:54:22] kevincolyerwork says: that is a false story [15:54:31] kevincolyerwork says: have a look at the pages... [15:54:37] Mike Stevens says: a house with 2 doors. not so bad? [15:54:49] kevincolyerwork says: True! Or False! [15:54:52] Steve Sullivan says: what do you mean kev [15:55:13] kevincolyerwork says: OK can everyone look at the training page and then click on the Category training at the bottom [15:55:29] Sarah Cumming says: I'll try [15:55:30] Mike Stevens says: 27 articles there [15:55:30] kevincolyerwork says: do you see what I mean? [15:55:34] Steve Sullivan says: I can't look at any page at teh moment. I think i am sitting next to a bandwidth hog [15:55:41] kevincolyerwork says: oink [15:56:31] Sarah Cumming says: I dont think I'm looking at the same place [15:56:43] Sarah Cumming says: I clicked on that training button [15:56:52] Steve Sullivan says: not the training button [15:56:58] Sarah Cumming says: ok [15:57:05] kevincolyerwork says: yes the training utton don't listen to stevfe [15:57:05] Steve Sullivan says: the category button [15:57:05] Mike Stevens says: at bottom of http://wiki.ywambrussels.be/kb/index.php/Training [15:57:06] Sarah Cumming says: I'm confused [15:57:12] Steve Sullivan says: what [15:57:19] kevincolyerwork says: listen to mike [15:57:22] Sarah Cumming says: I see nine links [15:57:29] Steve Sullivan says: i see dead people [15:57:39] Mike Stevens says: bottom Category: Training [15:57:44] Sarah Cumming says: yep [15:57:46] Mike Stevens says: http://wiki.ywambrussels.be/kb/index.php/Category:Training [15:58:05] Sarah Cumming says: aaaaaaah [15:58:06] Mike Stevens says: is where Kev wants us [15:58:12] Sarah Cumming says: got there thanks mike [15:58:23] kevincolyerwork says: where it says "All we know about training." we can put the current text of the training page and we get the best of both worlds [15:58:43] Mike Stevens says: ok [15:59:37] Sarah Cumming says: I think I get it ... [15:59:39] kevincolyerwork says: This does mean that when you want to link to the category page you do it slightly differently you Category Category:Training [16:00:13] kevincolyerwork says: so I can change the botton on the main page in an instant to point to the category pages. [16:00:35] kevincolyerwork says: I was thinking we could start off with several super categories and then nest all the other data inside the categories [16:00:37] Sarah Cumming says: go for it :) [16:01:02] Mike Stevens says: whatever... sounds try-able [16:01:03] kevincolyerwork says: so we have Training, New Teams and Management but we could also have Evangelism and Mercy ministries too [16:01:14] kevincolyerwork says: then from there we could spread out a bit. [16:01:35] Steve Sullivan says: yes, super categories would do [16:01:42] kevincolyerwork says: evangelsim - treet evang, coffee bars, strategy, church planting (another bit category) [16:01:53] Sarah Cumming says: that sounds simpler [16:01:58] Steve Sullivan says: it should be enjoyable to just surf around as well as be easy to search for [16:02:12] kevincolyerwork says: we need to balance the two aspects [16:02:13] Steve Sullivan says: I've beautified the training page by the way, it now looks a lot better -- enjoy [16:02:13] Mike Stevens says: or 4 super categories Training Evangelism MM and Maiking it happen (admin) [16:02:17] Steve Sullivan says: yes, balance [16:02:24] kevincolyerwork says: yep [16:02:55] Mike Stevens says: like the cats pic [16:02:59] kevincolyerwork says: I think making it happen is already management - i'm trying to use that term as it ties it close to leadership [16:03:01] Steve Sullivan says: yep [16:03:04] kevincolyerwork says: ok [16:03:10] kevincolyerwork says: are we all finished discussing? [16:03:19] Steve Sullivan says: but management of school is different to base management? [16:03:30] Sarah Cumming says: it is [16:03:33] Mike Stevens says: y [16:03:36] kevincolyerwork says: doesn't matter [16:03:49] Steve Sullivan says: managing schools should be a separate topic under training? [16:03:55] Sarah Cumming says: Yes [16:03:56] Steve Sullivan says: but cross-linked [16:03:59] Sarah Cumming says: ok [16:04:08] kevincolyerwork says: but it will share some sub categories with base management [16:04:17] Steve Sullivan says: many, hopefull [16:04:18] Steve Sullivan says: y [16:04:19] kevincolyerwork says: i.e. boring meetings! [16:04:22] Sarah Cumming says: thats fine [16:04:24] Steve Sullivan says: dam them [16:04:27] kevincolyerwork says: ok [16:04:37] Sarah Cumming says: ok [16:04:37] Steve Sullivan says: Mike never has boring meetings [16:04:39] Mike Stevens says: people management is what covers all areas [16:04:43] kevincolyerwork says: {Action} Kevin adn Steve work on super categories [16:04:48] Steve Sullivan says: ok [16:04:50] kevincolyerwork says: yes [16:04:50] Mike Stevens says: ok [16:04:55] Sarah Cumming says: next [16:04:58] Steve Sullivan says: security [16:05:05] Steve Sullivan says: we had a hacker [16:05:10] Steve Sullivan says: is that the right word kev? [16:05:12] Sarah Cumming says: really [16:05:13] kevincolyerwork says: OK Next {topic} gaining contributers and users [16:05:15] kevincolyerwork says: yes [16:05:20] Sarah Cumming says: wow [16:05:22] kevincolyerwork says: listen to steve [16:05:24] Sarah Cumming says: ok [16:05:34] Mike Stevens says: ok [16:05:37] kevincolyerwork says: {Topic} Security [16:05:40] Steve Sullivan says: no, listen to kev, or read the FAQ in community portal [16:05:48] Sarah Cumming says: we'll we had a fuss about this at the workshop? [16:05:50] Steve Sullivan says: someone hacked in and changed a page [16:06:07] Steve Sullivan says: kev blocked him and reset the page and then killed him [16:06:11] kevincolyerwork says: well an automated program did and spammd a page [16:06:14] Steve Sullivan says: woops, sorry, he didn't kill anybody [16:06:17] Mike Stevens says: murder he wrote [16:06:20] Steve Sullivan says: ha [16:06:21] kevincolyerwork says: awwwwwwwwww [16:06:27] Steve Sullivan says: hi sarah [16:06:30] Sarah Cumming says: hi [16:06:33] Steve Sullivan says: security [16:06:34] Sarah Cumming says: :) [16:06:42] Sarah Cumming says: I'm here enjoying myself [16:06:45] Steve Sullivan says: kev tell us something and we can move on to contributers [16:06:50] Steve Sullivan says: it is lovely to meet you sarah c [16:07:01] Sarah Cumming says: hhehehee [16:07:01] kevincolyerwork says: so I will impliment a captcha program to reduce further atempts like this. [16:07:09] kevincolyerwork says: There is also one other dubios user too. [16:07:09] Mike Stevens says: great [16:07:19] Sarah Cumming says: Ok, but what about what the others raised at the workshop? [16:07:32] Mike Stevens says: maybe a referral on membership? [16:07:33] Steve Sullivan says: i have a picture of you on my skype chat sarah -- you are bald and have a green shirt just like kevin [16:07:43] Steve Sullivan says: is it a problem kev? [16:07:47] Sarah Cumming says: haha [16:08:04] Steve Sullivan says: are you on top of security kev? [16:08:04] kevincolyerwork says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA [16:08:40] Steve Sullivan says: who is captain cha? -- is he captain of the dance team? [16:08:41] kevincolyerwork says: think so [16:08:51] kevincolyerwork says: I would prefer to deal with each problem [16:08:58] kevincolyerwork says: as they arise [16:09:04] Mike Stevens says: but that creates a bottleneck [16:09:09] Mike Stevens says: you... [16:09:12] Steve Sullivan says: is it fairly bullet proof kev? [16:09:15] kevincolyerwork says: no [16:09:24] kevincolyerwork says: There is no bottle neck now [16:09:27] Steve Sullivan says: bottleneck? [16:09:36] kevincolyerwork says: a cpatcha only stops robots not real people [16:09:47] Steve Sullivan says: have you been drinking again Mike [16:09:48] Mike Stevens says: thinking of one person having to deal with problems [16:09:54] Sarah Cumming says: aaa h i have no clue what u are on about [16:09:59] kevincolyerwork says: it is not very hard [16:10:02] Mike Stevens says: an AA meetings perhaps? [16:10:02] Steve Sullivan says: me too sarah [16:10:24] Steve Sullivan says: ha [16:10:30] kevincolyerwork says: we are talking about the security of the wik i and the problem of the wrong people or robots getting in and making a mess [16:10:43] Sarah Cumming says: okay [16:10:56] kevincolyerwork says: i can promote others to become admins if I get tired of being a dicator [16:11:24] Steve Sullivan says: could i be assistant dictator? [16:11:37] kevincolyerwork says: i have been very frustrated by ywam sites that require a human referal because they take ages [16:11:38] Sarah Cumming says: go for it [16:11:39] kevincolyerwork says: for example [16:11:40] Mike Stevens says: That is Dick? or dickie bird? [16:11:44] Steve Sullivan says: or cha cha cha directore [16:11:59] Mike Stevens says: Dick Tator? [16:12:33] kevincolyerwork says: I am still waiting for ywamcoms to alow me to post on their site. ywamit.com took 10 days and hassle until they let me post. [16:12:44] Steve Sullivan says: yes, response time is infinite [16:12:51] kevincolyerwork says: This site will die if we don't let people in quickly. Besides it is the spirit of wiki [16:12:58] Steve Sullivan says: if we have 3000 users or more.... [16:13:05] kevincolyerwork says: wiki = quick [16:13:08] Mike Stevens says: time... what is time but that woobly stuff (Doctor Who? [16:13:13] Sarah Cumming says: keep dreaming and being a pain in the inbox [16:13:23] Steve Sullivan says: can we wikily move on to contributors then [16:13:33] kevincolyerwork says: so how can we get more people contribtuing [16:13:34] Steve Sullivan says: wikily -- get it? [16:13:40] kevincolyerwork says: quick brain storm [16:13:40] Mike Stevens says: got [16:13:41] Steve Sullivan says: ok [16:13:43] Sarah Cumming says: hehe [16:13:52] kevincolyerwork says: everyone type a load of ideas till I say STOP [16:14:03] Steve Sullivan says: i will train everyone in the UK and Ireland to use it [16:14:11] kevincolyerwork says: International YWAMER ad [16:14:13] Steve Sullivan says: well, ywamers anyway [16:14:21] Sarah Cumming says: have a YWAM Belgium day [16:14:27] kevincolyerwork says: aim hi steve [16:14:27] Mike Stevens says: promote on ywam-base-announce ywam connect.net [16:14:36] Steve Sullivan says: i shall persuade my next door neighbour of its virtues [16:14:51] Mike Stevens says: anyone know the team on ISS? [16:14:54] Sarah Cumming says: write the address on the moon [16:14:57] kevincolyerwork says: steves neighbour is Lynn Green [16:15:00] Sarah Cumming says: ? [16:15:02] Sarah Cumming says: aaah [16:15:09] kevincolyerwork says: green light sarah! [16:15:10] Mike Stevens says: (International Space Station) - lobal coverage! ;) [16:15:18] Steve Sullivan says: does anyone know the mothere of someone on the ISS? [16:15:28] kevincolyerwork says: I am talking to the WELT soon [16:15:33] Mike Stevens says: we had a swede last 1/4 [16:15:35] Sarah Cumming says: there you go [16:15:35] Steve Sullivan says: connect dot com? [16:15:45] kevincolyerwork says: Steve and I will see Jeffs wife on Wednesday we will brainwash her [16:15:53] Mike Stevens says: connect.net ChungHo etc [16:15:57] kevincolyerwork says: oh yes [16:15:59] Sarah Cumming says: Steve will be at the general meeting? [16:16:01] Steve Sullivan says: sarah, do you subscribe to the view that if we can send one man to the moon why can't we sent them all there [16:16:11] Steve Sullivan says: ok, chung ho [16:16:43] Steve Sullivan says: what about global perspectives when it returns -- they could do a video shoot without leavig the office [16:16:45] Mike Stevens says: YWAM EuroComms team. Steve Keever? [16:16:50] kevincolyerwork says: yes [16:17:01] Steve Sullivan says: we could pray [16:17:03] Mike Stevens says: Africoms team in S Africa [16:17:07] kevincolyerwork says: he has already registered [16:17:09] Steve Sullivan says: we could pray [16:17:16] Sarah Cumming says: good idea [16:17:19] Steve Sullivan says: i htink the bottleneck is training [16:17:25] Mike Stevens says: and prayer [16:17:37] Sarah Cumming says: makes sense being in YWAM [16:17:40] Steve Sullivan says: there are a lot of us ywamers who revolt against learning [16:17:49] Steve Sullivan says: i mean younger ywamers? [16:17:54] kevincolyerwork says: we should list all the people in yweam who have published a book and talk to all of them personnally [16:17:54] Steve Sullivan says: and prayer [16:17:58] Steve Sullivan says: we could pray [16:18:02] Mike Stevens says: y [16:18:03] Sarah Cumming says: I like learning [16:18:04] Steve Sullivan says: why a book? [16:18:10] kevincolyerwork says: prayer ois good [16:18:20] Steve Sullivan says: well done Sarah, learning is good. I used to be a physics teacher [16:18:39] Sarah Cumming says: Physics....no comment [16:18:41] Sarah Cumming says: :P [16:18:44] Steve Sullivan says: i wonder if it is possible to teach an older ywamer to use a computer [16:18:51] Steve Sullivan says: physics is easy if well taught [16:19:03] Steve Sullivan says: i should know, i wasn't well taught [16:19:06] Sarah Cumming says: ok, I wasnt well taught then [16:19:09] Sarah Cumming says: I second it [16:19:28] Steve Sullivan says: i'm sure you could learn if well taught, you seem most bright [16:19:33] kevincolyerwork says: kevin on phone [16:19:35] Steve Sullivan says: Mike is very bright -- he can do anything [16:19:47] Steve Sullivan says: have you met Mike? [16:19:47] Mike Stevens says: Kevin is away, we can play! [16:19:54] Sarah Cumming says: no I don't think I have [16:19:58] Steve Sullivan says: he is a nice man although foreign [16:20:05] Sarah Cumming says: who isnt in YWAM? [16:20:13] Steve Sullivan says: he looks like a thin version of peter whatsisname [16:20:16] Mike Stevens says: ¨comes from a wierd land Steve knows well [16:20:24] Steve Sullivan says: the land of sleep? [16:20:30] Steve Sullivan says: peter [16:20:32] Steve Sullivan says: peter [16:20:34] Steve Sullivan says: who [16:20:37] Sarah Cumming says: ?? [16:20:44] Mike Stevens says: me too ? [16:20:57] Sarah Cumming says: heheh anyhows, nice to meet you mike [16:20:57] Steve Sullivan says: peter jackson [16:21:01] Sarah Cumming says: aaaah [16:21:04] Steve Sullivan says: director of lord of the rings [16:21:07] Mike Stevens says: on skype I look like a vegemite jar on steroids [16:21:10] Steve Sullivan says: you could be brothers Mike [16:21:13] Steve Sullivan says: ha [16:21:24] Mike Stevens says: Jackson has more hair [16:21:27] Steve Sullivan says: where is your family sarah [16:21:29] Mike Stevens says: and gut [16:21:33] Steve Sullivan says: but your hair is better [16:21:35] Sarah Cumming says: I'm from Gibraltar [16:21:43] Steve Sullivan says: each strand is nice [16:21:47] Steve Sullivan says: gibraltar? [16:21:55] Steve Sullivan says: do you know any mifsuds? [16:21:58] Sarah Cumming says: The Rock of Gibraltar [16:21:59] Mike Stevens says: and getting easier for God to count every day [16:22:01] Sarah Cumming says: yes I do [16:22:02] Steve Sullivan says: really [16:22:07] Sarah Cumming says: yeah [16:22:10] kevincolyerwork says: ORDER ORDER - where are we [16:22:10] Steve Sullivan says: we had some do dtss at HOlmsted [16:22:17] Sarah Cumming says: aaaah [16:22:18] Steve Sullivan says: and we had an outreach to gibraltar [16:22:22] Sarah Cumming says: when was that? [16:22:31] Steve Sullivan says: i planned it but didn't go -- mid 80s [16:22:31] Mike Stevens says: I would love to visit the rock! [16:22:39] kevincolyerwork says: OK Anyo ther ideas for gaining contributers? [16:22:41] Sarah Cumming says: aaa [16:22:46] Steve Sullivan says: fabulous place for outreach and with monkeys [16:22:55] Steve Sullivan says: contributors [16:22:59] Sarah Cumming says: hhaha why does everyone bring the monkeys up [16:23:05] Steve Sullivan says: i think it is importatn to train [16:23:06] kevincolyerwork says: monekys = funny [16:23:12] Steve Sullivan says: can't swallow them [16:23:12] kevincolyerwork says: train who? [16:23:23] Mike Stevens says: train the monkeys? [16:23:24] Sarah Cumming says: the Contributers [16:23:28] Steve Sullivan says: bring them up -- swallow, get it ? [16:23:30] kevincolyerwork says: ok [16:23:34] Steve Sullivan says: can't swallow them [16:23:37] Steve Sullivan says: never mind [16:23:50] Steve Sullivan says: we must train people, there is a steep learning curve [16:23:51] kevincolyerwork says: how can we train the contributers we get in? Presumably they will come one by one [16:23:54] Sarah Cumming says: I havent laughed so much in a meeting before [16:24:03] Steve Sullivan says: kev suggested everyone should print the chart up [16:24:07] Mike Stevens says: contributors - need to get from all 27 YWAM regions [16:24:10] Steve Sullivan says: a merry heart does a lot of good [16:24:21] Sarah Cumming says: go to each of the gatherings? [16:24:22] Mike Stevens says: different languages.... [16:24:23] Steve Sullivan says: there are 27 regions, dam that 's fine [16:24:30] Steve Sullivan says: sorry, i'll watch my language [16:24:39] Sarah Cumming says: aach [16:24:40] kevincolyerwork says: the question of languagewas raised at FOTN [16:24:44] Mike Stevens says: can you handle Korean Kev? [16:24:47] Sarah Cumming says: yes it was [16:24:49] kevincolyerwork says: we can do what wikipedia does [16:25:03] Sarah Cumming says: does wiki translate? [16:25:08] Sarah Cumming says: everything? [16:25:09] Steve Sullivan says: they speak it in korea i think [16:25:10] kevincolyerwork says: when there is demand we start a parallel wiki in korean/french etc. [16:25:11] Mike Stevens says: nice to have an auto translator onboard [16:25:18] kevincolyerwork says: not really [16:25:23] kevincolyerwork says: the french will kill you [16:25:24] Mike Stevens says: like babelfish.altavista.com [16:25:29] Steve Sullivan says: voiture = auto? [16:25:36] kevincolyerwork says: but Sarah will translate it all into spanish for you# [16:25:38] Sarah Cumming says: aaaaaaah you think you'd be able to translate every document? thats nuts [16:25:50] Steve Sullivan says: some body will [16:25:51] Mike Stevens says: you can translate text online [16:25:53] Sarah Cumming says: tu te lo cres [16:26:01] Steve Sullivan says: there are a lot of people out there with nothing else to do [16:26:06] kevincolyerwork says: I could put a bable fish link on each page "Translate this page..." what do you think?? [16:26:06] Mike Stevens says: ywamers [16:26:14] Steve Sullivan says: je parle le francais comme une vache espagnol [16:26:17] Sarah Cumming says: sure [16:26:18] Sarah Cumming says: haha [16:26:31] Steve Sullivan says: i like the bable fish idea [16:26:34] kevincolyerwork says: la francais [16:26:38] kevincolyerwork says: ok [16:26:41] Steve Sullivan says: see what i mean [16:26:49] Sarah Cumming says: ahaha [16:26:54] Mike Stevens says: Someone said the average Y base was like the household of Martha, Maria and Lazerus [16:26:57] Steve Sullivan says: mooove over french I'm coming [16:27:02] kevincolyerwork says: i will put a bit in the faq too [16:27:02] Steve Sullivan says: sorry, your cumming [16:27:07] Sarah Cumming says: ha [16:27:18] kevincolyerwork says: i agree with mike [16:27:23] Sarah Cumming says: geen probleem allemal [16:27:25] Steve Sullivan says: i agree with mike [16:27:26] Mike Stevens says: 1/3 working, 1/3 praying and noone knows what the other third does [16:27:33] Sarah Cumming says: translates [16:27:34] kevincolyerwork says: i agree with mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [16:27:44] Steve Sullivan says: the pope was asked how many people work in the vatican [16:27:47] Steve Sullivan says: he said, [16:27:51] Steve Sullivan says: about a third [16:28:01] kevincolyerwork says: ok. [16:28:03] Sarah Cumming says: clever guy [16:28:09] Mike Stevens says: HEHEHEE [16:28:11] Steve Sullivan says: Ease of use? [16:28:17] kevincolyerwork says: Let us think about the contributers a little more... [16:28:24] Steve Sullivan says: ok [16:28:27] Steve Sullivan says: we have lots of ideas [16:28:29] kevincolyerwork says: because we need action points here. [16:28:29] Sarah Cumming says: yes [16:28:34] Steve Sullivan says: i think the trininag is importatnt [16:28:37] Steve Sullivan says: like spelling [16:28:40] Steve Sullivan says: ok [16:28:48] kevincolyerwork says: I want to do the 1/3 that no=one knows about [16:28:53] kevincolyerwork says: ! [16:28:58] Sarah Cumming says: not fair [16:29:05] Steve Sullivan says: i want to do the 3/16 that is hidden [16:29:21] Steve Sullivan says: arcane [16:29:42] kevincolyerwork says: OK. [16:29:49] Sarah Cumming says: which leaves? [16:29:50] Steve Sullivan says: if people hear about the kb and don't quickly become adept at it they won't use it again? [16:29:52] Mike Stevens says: someone should write a promo doc to be posted [16:29:58] Mike Stevens says: on YWAM info sites [16:30:11] kevincolyerwork says: From my experience a passive invite doesnot seem to work well [16:30:14] Steve Sullivan says: what about you Mike -- you are literate and know words and things like that [16:30:20] kevincolyerwork says: we can all help [16:30:35] Steve Sullivan says: it seems as though people need to see it working [16:30:35] kevincolyerwork says: we can all help if we write it on the wiki [16:30:43] Mike Stevens says: passive info keeps it 'open' and not seemingly 'exclusive' [16:30:45] Steve Sullivan says: could we have a video of it working [16:30:52] Sarah Cumming says: aaaaah [16:30:54] Steve Sullivan says: passive info? [16:30:59] kevincolyerwork says: you need to grab people by the neck and take them to the computer [16:31:03] Sarah Cumming says: have a tutorial online? [16:31:05] Steve Sullivan says: yes, scruffs [16:31:15] Steve Sullivan says: yes, tutorial, on line padawon [16:31:16] Mike Stevens says: we had that with email in the 90's [16:31:21] Steve Sullivan says: did it work mike? [16:31:32] kevincolyerwork says: yes we can have a screen cast of the site in operation and stike it on you tube [16:31:45] Steve Sullivan says: i still can't get my email to stop the millions of letters coming into it every day [16:31:46] Mike Stevens says: after getting the ground level converted it became unstoppable' [16:31:52] Steve Sullivan says: people keep sending me stuff [16:31:56] Steve Sullivan says: ok, let's do ti [16:31:57] kevincolyerwork says: who was the ground level? [16:32:04] Mike Stevens says: ven though you don't answer [16:32:14] Steve Sullivan says: answer what? [16:32:16] kevincolyerwork says: who was the ground level? [16:32:16] Steve Sullivan says: wahat [16:32:23] kevincolyerwork says: who was the ground level? Mike? [16:32:24] Mike Stevens says: I went to GLT, to regional leaders etc [16:32:27] Steve Sullivan says: wow [16:32:37] Steve Sullivan says: should we do that? [16:32:48] Steve Sullivan says: i could talk to my next door neighbour [16:32:56] kevincolyerwork says: you should [16:32:59] Mike Stevens says: perhaps GLT mandate from ICT member [16:33:03] Steve Sullivan says: can we convert stephe mayers [16:33:11] kevincolyerwork says: {ACTION} Steve will talk more to his nighbour [16:33:15] Mike Stevens says: nah... he went spanish... [16:33:18] Steve Sullivan says: i could talk to Colin as well [16:33:23] Steve Sullivan says: swine [16:33:28] Mike Stevens says: yes. Forbes on. [16:33:33] kevincolyerwork says: Stephe is a little tired right now. He is on sabbatical till Jan [16:33:35] Steve Sullivan says: he has also gone brownish [16:33:48] Steve Sullivan says: a lovely mediterranean brownish -- swine [16:33:51] Mike Stevens says: Fountain.... I could talk more with him [16:33:52] Steve Sullivan says: till january [16:34:06] Steve Sullivan says: who will you talk to sarah? [16:34:09] kevincolyerwork says: What do you mean, Mike, a GLT mandate from an YWAMICT memeber? [16:34:24] Sarah Cumming says: I'm only a young ywamer I dont know people [16:34:31] Steve Sullivan says: of course you do [16:34:37] Sarah Cumming says: I could tell Kerygma Teams [16:34:42] kevincolyerwork says: see! [16:34:43] Steve Sullivan says: when you come to Harpenden you can meet my neighbour [16:34:54] Steve Sullivan says: talk to ROb Clarke then [16:34:58] kevincolyerwork says: You are a key reason from having the site [16:34:58] Mike Stevens says: get some of those guys behind the project - will help it spread. Sometimes 'independant' initiatives flop as not acceted by leaders [16:35:07] Sarah Cumming says: awwh [16:35:08] Steve Sullivan says: and Brucey boy Clewitt [16:35:23] Steve Sullivan says: we love kerzygma [16:35:23] Sarah Cumming says: Ok I'll tell Clarke and Clewett [16:35:31] Steve Sullivan says: ksersigma [16:35:31] Sarah Cumming says: awwh thanks [16:35:32] kevincolyerwork says: It will help if we can do this relationally [16:35:37] Steve Sullivan says: syergkigma? [16:35:42] Mike Stevens says: just can't spell it [16:35:46] kevincolyerwork says: basically pressing the flesh - sending emails wont work [16:35:49] Sarah Cumming says: I just spent 5 days with them all [16:35:52] Steve Sullivan says: wow [16:35:53] Steve Sullivan says: i love them [16:36:03] kevincolyerwork says: you have clout [16:36:07] Steve Sullivan says: there web site however sucks [16:36:08] Sarah Cumming says: I told them about the workshop, [16:36:11] Sarah Cumming says: it does [16:36:12] Steve Sullivan says: sarah, you have clout [16:36:17] Sarah Cumming says: do I ? [16:36:22] Mike Stevens says: saw Bruce in Germany for 1st time in years [16:36:34] Sarah Cumming says: he;s a busy guy [16:36:46] Steve Sullivan says: tell them to use it, email them all and tell them it is the best thing they will ever see apart from the second coming of Jesus and a visit from the Pope [16:36:53] Sarah Cumming says: hahah [16:36:59] Mike Stevens says: in that order? [16:36:59] Steve Sullivan says: Bruce doesn't do anything except email me funny stories [16:37:02] Sarah Cumming says: will do [16:37:07] Steve Sullivan says: thanks sarah [16:37:10] Mike Stevens says: him and Tom Bloomer [16:37:11] Sarah Cumming says: haha answer him one day [16:37:41] Steve Sullivan says: i love Bruce, i met him in 77 in new zealand [16:37:51] kevincolyerwork says: I think this is something Mike and Steve may have to do - we shall make a list and you have 2 months to talk to everyone on it [16:37:54] Steve Sullivan says: he will listen to you sarah [16:38:03] Sarah Cumming says: hah [16:38:05] kevincolyerwork says: Tom is important too [16:38:12] Sarah Cumming says: whos he? [16:38:13] Steve Sullivan says: i'll talk to tom [16:38:22] kevincolyerwork says: UofN prvost [16:38:23] Steve Sullivan says: tom bloomer is the head of the UofN [16:38:27] Sarah Cumming says: aaaaaaaaaah [16:38:36] Mike Stevens says: and the moustache of the UofN [16:38:42] Steve Sullivan says: or as kev would say private ost [16:38:43] kevincolyerwork says: Steve is the scab on the ankle of the UofN [16:38:43] Sarah Cumming says: I thought i'd seen his name somewhere [16:38:52] Steve Sullivan says: i know that to be true [16:39:02] Steve Sullivan says: ok [16:39:10] Steve Sullivan says: thats all on contributers? [16:39:12] Mike Stevens says: private ost = private Cheese in Swedish [16:39:12] Steve Sullivan says: ors [16:39:16] Steve Sullivan says: ha [16:39:22] Steve Sullivan says: that's tom all right [16:39:28] Steve Sullivan says: what about easoe of use [16:39:38] Steve Sullivan says: is easo italian for ease? [16:39:47] Mike Stevens says: Lynn is big cheese and tom the private cheese [16:39:47] Steve Sullivan says: probably [16:39:51] Steve Sullivan says: ha ha ha [16:39:59] kevincolyerwork says: {Action} we will update and lengthen the Invitations pages (http://wiki.ywambrussels.be/kb/index.php/YWAMKnowledgeBase:Invitations) [16:40:00] Steve Sullivan says: i'm going to tell tom that and he won't be well pleased [16:40:02] Mike Stevens says: we are the mice [16:40:06] Steve Sullivan says: he thinks he is very important [16:40:15] Steve Sullivan says: squeak? [16:40:21] Steve Sullivan says: ease of use [16:40:29] Steve Sullivan says: i think we've looked at the ease thing already [16:40:39] kevincolyerwork says: OK [16:40:45] Steve Sullivan says: i especially like the new red button on the front page [16:40:50] Sarah Cumming says: haha [16:40:52] kevincolyerwork says: Then I thiink we are at the end of the official meeting [16:41:00] Mike Stevens says: What happened to those invies Kev? [16:41:01] Steve Sullivan says: then let's go back [16:41:01] kevincolyerwork says: I would like to suggerst some any other business [16:41:08] Steve Sullivan says: ok, suggest away [16:41:13] Mike Stevens says: nice to have dates on it for follow up [16:41:20] kevincolyerwork says: not a lot happened - it is up to date though... [16:41:23] Steve Sullivan says: hmm, dates, we like dates [16:41:35] Mike Stevens says: dates, not prunes [16:41:45] Steve Sullivan says: can we record these minutes for posterity -- or at least a summary [16:41:48] kevincolyerwork says: yes will put dates on it (that is a good raison) [16:41:57] Steve Sullivan says: raison d'etre [16:41:58] kevincolyerwork says: Sadly I will post the log on the wiki! [16:42:06] Mike Stevens says: keeps it currant [16:42:07] Steve Sullivan says: yippee, everyone will want to join [16:42:11] Sarah Cumming says: hahha [16:42:22] Steve Sullivan says: cucumber [16:42:24] kevincolyerwork says: shall we do this again soon? [16:42:33] kevincolyerwork says: let us say a month [16:42:37] Steve Sullivan says: a month [16:42:44] Mike Stevens says: a month [16:42:44] kevincolyerwork says: we clearly do not been to be in the same place to do useful work [16:42:57] Steve Sullivan says: have you proof of that kev? [16:43:19] kevincolyerwork says: I will set up an agenda page for next time and you can add items for discussion [16:43:19] Mike Stevens says: we run into summer schedules now. Swedes start now, brits wait till august... [16:43:29] Steve Sullivan says: will you have communicated with every kyrsigmatic base by then sarah? [16:43:33] Sarah Cumming says: i think so [16:43:39] Sarah Cumming says: yes [16:43:41] Steve Sullivan says: i think i already started [16:43:41] kevincolyerwork says: she will need an inhaler [16:43:45] Steve Sullivan says: well done sarah [16:43:55] Steve Sullivan says: (y) sarah [16:43:57] Sarah Cumming says: we are only in 10 locations [16:44:05] Sarah Cumming says: so its easy peasy [16:44:13] Steve Sullivan says: you could be in more in one month if you try really hard [16:44:15] Mike Stevens says: so she says..... [16:44:17] Steve Sullivan says: i believe in you [16:44:26] Steve Sullivan says: i'm only in one location -- brusssels [16:44:27] kevincolyerwork says: DATE OF NEXT MEETING [16:44:33] Steve Sullivan says: i want a tardis [16:44:37] Sarah Cumming says: me too! [16:44:41] Sarah Cumming says: ok [16:44:46] Steve Sullivan says: we need one [16:44:51] Mike Stevens says: I like blue boxes [16:44:52] Steve Sullivan says: there are some things i didn't do last week [16:44:59] Steve Sullivan says: especially blue boxes [16:45:07] Sarah Cumming says: July 8th or 15th [16:45:14] Sarah Cumming says: or September [16:45:14] Mike Stevens says: did you see this weeks one? [16:45:19] kevincolyerwork says: DONM MONDAY JULY 2 AT 15H00 BRUSSELS TIME [16:45:27] Steve Sullivan says: 8th 8th 8th 8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th8th 8th 8th [16:45:35] Steve Sullivan says: i opt for the 8th [16:45:43] kevincolyerwork says: I am on holiday (I hope) [16:45:48] Steve Sullivan says: or the 2nd [16:45:48] Sarah Cumming says: mmm [16:45:51] Mike Stevens says: I might be at Restenäs [16:45:55] Mike Stevens says: 2 [16:45:55] Mike Stevens says: 2 [16:45:55] Mike Stevens says: 2 [16:46:00] Sarah Cumming says: I'm foing 24/7 [16:46:03] Mike Stevens says: mee toooo [16:46:03] Steve Sullivan says: resting your WHAt? [16:46:12] kevincolyerwork says: do they have internet there or do theu still use pigeons? [16:46:21] Steve Sullivan says: THEY EAT PIGEONS [16:46:29] Steve Sullivan says: why are you 24?/7 [16:46:32] Mike Stevens says: wireless not soo good in the outback there [16:46:43] kevincolyerwork says: Or 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th [16:46:43] Sarah Cumming says: 24/7 prayer time [16:46:44] Steve Sullivan says: it is further back than outback [16:46:54] Steve Sullivan says: ok, so you're available then? [16:47:08] Steve Sullivan says: you can pray and talk sarah? [16:47:13] Sarah Cumming says: I can pray [16:47:16] Steve Sullivan says: and talk? [16:47:18] Sarah Cumming says: dont know about talking [16:47:26] Sarah Cumming says: set a time and I'll try [16:47:28] Mike Stevens says: the tooth of July? Pray and type? [16:47:29] Steve Sullivan says: ok [16:47:36] Mike Stevens says: no need to talk [16:47:40] kevincolyerwork says: OK tooth of jluy [16:47:43] Steve Sullivan says: what time is it at 2.30? [16:47:50] Steve Sullivan says: time to go to the dentist [16:47:58] Steve Sullivan says: tooth hirty! [16:48:05] Mike Stevens says: Ouch [16:48:05] kevincolyerwork says: 15h00 bussels time. On kevincolyerwork skype [16:48:10] Mike Stevens says: tooth hurty [16:48:10] Steve Sullivan says: tre jolie [16:48:12] Sarah Cumming says: CET or GMT or BST [16:48:15] Sarah Cumming says: ? [16:48:31] kevincolyerwork says: wall time for you [16:48:32] Steve Sullivan says: when the big hand is on 12 and the little hand is on 3 [16:48:41] Steve Sullivan says: on my wrist [16:48:43] kevincolyerwork says: ok thanks everyone [16:48:44] Mike Stevens says: That is halv tre in Swedish Half three [16:48:57] Steve Sullivan says: you mean 1.5? [16:48:59] Sarah Cumming says: okkkk [16:49:04] Steve Sullivan says: kkk? [16:49:08] Sarah Cumming says: see you on Wednesday... [16:49:10] Steve Sullivan says: do you stutter? [16:49:12] kevincolyerwork says: Ookeey dookeey. By Meyeki [16:49:25] Sarah Cumming says: I have to be there earlier to prep coffie apparently [16:49:30] Steve Sullivan says: wonderful to see you guys again -- expcept you sarah [16:49:36] Steve Sullivan says: wonderful to meet you sarah [16:49:40] Sarah Cumming says: aaah ok [16:49:40] Steve Sullivan says: for the first time [16:49:43] Steve Sullivan says: bye all [16:49:44] Sarah Cumming says: thanks [16:49:48] Sarah Cumming says: byeeeee [16:49:51] kevincolyerwork says: {Action} babee fish translation into Sweedish Chef for mike [16:50:00] kevincolyerwork says: bye [16:50:04] Mike Stevens says: Steve - bring those girls up here for a holiday this summer! [16:50:06] Steve Sullivan says: chief mike? [16:50:11] Steve Sullivan says: ok, thank you mike [16:50:20] Mike Stevens says: hurdy burdy boink boink [16:50:26] Steve Sullivan says: bye all [16:50:31] Sarah Cumming says: doei [16:50:34] Sarah Cumming says: adios [16:50:40] Mike Stevens says: bjork bjork, bye bye [16:50:42] kevincolyerwork has changed the chat topic to "Secutiry" [16:50:59] Mike Stevens says: hejdå